Safari or Firefox? I want both!

impulse29 · #1 (**permalink**) Aug 4th, 2006, 19:42

I am making a Mac help site for a friend, and want the site to be compatible with as many browsers as possible. I am aware that IE doesn't follow the rules with css, which is why I have made a plain version of the site as well. Basically, the site is composed of two tables, the top one is the banner with buttons, and the bottom one has text. The background is fixed, as is the top table (so the only thing that moves when you scroll is the table with the text). My problem is that the top table can be centered either for Safari, or Firefox, but I have not found a way to center both of them.

EDIT: The site is at www.ihelpnyc.com/dave/index1.html . It will probably change, but it's a good reference to see what I'm doing

When I do this, it is centered on Firefox:

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<style type="text/css">
<!--
body {
	background-image: url(background.gif);
	background-repeat: repeat-x;
	background-attachment:fixed;
	background-color: #000000;
}
#toptable {
	position: fixed;
	top: 0;
	height: 140px;
	bottom: auto;
	z-index: 2;
	text-align: center;
	margin-left: auto;
	margin-right: auto;
}

#encapsule {
	margin-left: auto;
	margin-right: auto;
	}

#centered
{
text-align: center;
}

#centered table
{
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: auto;
}


#bottable {
	position: relative;
	margin-left: auto;
	margin-right: auto;
	top: 140px;
	z-index:1;
}
-->
</style></head>
<body leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0">
<div align="centered" id="encapsule">
<table width="720" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" id="encase">
  <tr>
    <td><table width="200" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#2C2C2C" id="toptable">
      <tr>
        <td><table width="720" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" id="Table_01">
            <tr>
              <td colspan="5"><img src="images/index_01.gif" width="360" height="109" alt=""></td>
              <td colspan="2"><img src="images/index_02.gif" width="360" height="109" alt=""></td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
              <td><img src="images/index_03.gif" width="47" height="31" alt=""></td>
              <td><a href="index1.html"><img src="images/index_04.gif" alt="" width="102" height="31" border="0"></a></td>
              <td><a href="about.html"><img src="images/index_05.gif" alt="" width="92" height="31" border="0"></a></td>
              <td><a href="contact.html"><img src="images/index_06.gif" alt="" width="104" height="31" border="0"></a></td>
              <td colspan="2"><a href="help.html"><img src="images/index_07.gif" alt="" width="145" height="31" border="0"></a></td>
              <td><img src="images/index_08.gif" width="230" height="31" alt=""></td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="47" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="102" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="92" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="104" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="130" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="230" height="1" alt=""></td>
            </tr>
        </table></td>
      </tr>
    </table></td>
  </tr>
</table> </div>

When I do the following, it centers it on Safari:

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<style type="text/css">
<!--
body {
	background-image: url(background.gif);
	background-repeat: repeat-x;
	background-attachment:fixed;
	background-color: #000000;
}
#toptable {
	position: fixed;
	top: 0;
	height: 140px;
	bottom: auto;
	z-index: 2;
}
#encase {
	position: relative;
	margin-left: auto;
	margin-right: auto;
}
#bottable {
	position: relative;
	margin-left: auto;
	margin-right: auto;
	top: 140px;
	z-index:1;
}
-->
</style></head>
<body leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0">
<table width="720" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" id="encase">
  <tr>
    <td><table width="200" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#2C2C2C" id="toptable">
      <tr>
        <td><table width="720" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" id="Table_01">
            <tr>
              <td colspan="5"><img src="images/index_01.gif" width="360" height="109" alt=""></td>
              <td colspan="2"><img src="images/index_02.gif" width="360" height="109" alt=""></td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
              <td><img src="images/index_03.gif" width="47" height="31" alt=""></td>
              <td><a href="index1.html"><img src="images/index_04.gif" alt="" width="102" height="31" border="0"></a></td>
              <td><a href="about.html"><img src="images/index_05.gif" alt="" width="92" height="31" border="0"></a></td>
              <td><a href="contact.html"><img src="images/index_06.gif" alt="" width="104" height="31" border="0"></a></td>
              <td colspan="2"><a href="help.html"><img src="images/index_07.gif" alt="" width="145" height="31" border="0"></a></td>
              <td><img src="images/index_08.gif" width="230" height="31" alt=""></td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="47" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="102" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="92" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="104" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="130" height="1" alt=""></td>
              <td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="230" height="1" alt=""></td>
            </tr>
        </table></td>
      </tr>
    </table></td>
  </tr>
</table>

Any help is appreciated, as I am totally stuck. I have been using http://theodorakis.net/tablecentertest.html to see which works on both Firefox and Safari, but none of them work for both. Thanks!

EDIT: The site is at www.ihelpnyc.com/dave/index1.html . It will probably change, but it's a good reference to see what I'm doing

ukgeoff · #2 (**permalink**) Aug 4th, 2006, 22:15

I suggest that you start by properly coding your pages.

This includes having an appropriate DOCTYPE.

Using divs for layout instead of tables.

And coding your css so that it looks as near pixel perfect as you are likely to get in any browser.

As a thought, is anyone who hasn't got a Mac going to be interested in this site?

impulse29 · #3 (**permalink**) Aug 4th, 2006, 22:46

It is easy to tell someone to properly code a page, but I was asking what is wrong with it? I did css compatibility, and it told me it was fully compliant. So I don't know what part is wrong.

Quote:

And coding your css so that it looks as near pixel perfect as you are likely to get in any browser.

The only part that doesn't satisfy this is that the top banner is not centered. I am trying to get it pixel perfect, which is why I made my post!

Not that it matters, but the website will be accessible by anyone for onsite mac service. What if a mac has trouble going on the internet, and a pc must be used? I want everyone to be able to use it. Has never been a problem, and have never had anyone ask. As well, firefox is available for every major OS, including linux, mac and pc. If it works on one, it'll work on the rest.

moojoo · #4 (**permalink**) Aug 7th, 2006, 13:20

FF nor Safari should have no issues centering an element. From what I can see there is no width specified on the item you want centered. And I see no reason to use a table in that layout. I would start from scratch and go step by step and see if you can find the problem or do it again utilizing divs and such. That layout is no offense a 5 minute code job. Let me know if you need any assistance.

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