strong?

This is a discussion on "strong?" within the Web Page Design section. This forum, and the thread "strong? are both part of the Design Your Website category.



Go Back   Webforumz.com > Main Forums > Design Your Website > Web Page Design

Notices


Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Nov 5th, 2003, 15:50
Most Reputable Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,856
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
strong?

I know <font< is going away and have always avoided it, but what's the story with using [b] instead of [b]? Seems like an extra 10 letters...

Any other tags being deprecated?

  #2 (permalink)  
Old Nov 5th, 2003, 23:35
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The HTML 4.01 spec doesn't deprecate the [b] tag as such. Though it has been suggested now for many years - at least four or five that people use 'styles' to format their text.

Rather than worry about deprecated tags, concentrate instead on using XHTML and CSS to create and format your pages. The time has come when browsers are starting to behave as they should and things work how you would expect them to.

http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/ offers a great introduction to the differences between XHTML and HTML

Likewise, http://www.w3schools.com/css/ is pretty good as a starting point to CSS.
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Nov 10th, 2003, 01:21
Up'n'Coming Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 69
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
i was looking over the XHTML 2.0 draft, and I did not see the [b] tag there.. Instead I only saw the [b] tag. So I take it that it is recommended to use over the b tag, as it will probably be deprecated in XHTML 2.

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-inli...ine-textmodule
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Nov 10th, 2003, 09:02
Reputable Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 341
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Perhaps the most interesting significance of the deprecation of these 'standard' tags is the effect on SEO. For example, some search engines recognise that words/text in bold (using [b]) have a higher importance. Since the search engines robot only takes into account the HTML and text content of a page, a move to CSS effectively removes these important indications.

My own tests with Google's bot indicated that it was only able to recognise bold text if [b] tags were used to markup the bold text. Neither [b], <span style="font-weight:bold"> or <span class="x"/id="x"> (with the class/id defined internally or externally) worked in the same way.
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Nov 10th, 2003, 15:31
Most Reputable Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,856
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
That's an interesting aspect of this I hadn't stopped to consider.
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Nov 10th, 2003, 17:50
Most Reputable Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,856
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Although it should be noted that google does respond well to H1, H2 tags, etc and that these can be defined in a stylesheet as appearing differently to the default size - And also bold.
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Nov 10th, 2003, 23:44
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I don't know what is missing from Sirkents post, but I am guessing it is things like h1, h2, h3

I have a book site where I generated static pages with book titles in h1 tags and the author in h2. They are the first 2 items on the page and the SE's are loving in.

Redefining the tags in the stylesheet means that the text doesn't have to take up half the page either.
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Nov 11th, 2003, 00:31
Rob's Avatar
Rob Rob is offline
Head Admin & CEO

SuperMember
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: at my desk
Age: 34
Posts: 2,956
Blog Entries: 7
Thanks: 7
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Interesting D3mon...

Google as far as I am concerned recognises and gives importance to [b] tags, as well as [b] tags. How long ago did you conduct this research?
__________________
Rob - SEO Specialist
Owner & Founder of Webforumz.com

I am currently unavailable for private work
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Nov 11th, 2003, 09:38
Reputable Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 341
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Probably about 12 months ago now (when I first got into SEO).
Fair play to Google if they have updated their algorithms.

Although <strong > may now work, I'd be very suprised to see spiders/robots taking into account CSS styling when judging the importance of content, which kind of works against the prinicple of seperating content from style.
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Nov 12th, 2003, 11:27
Reputable Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Singapore
Posts: 321
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
[b] will be deprecated, along with
. Anyone fancy a tutorial on converting to XHTML? If u want, I can certainly do one for yall.
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Nov 12th, 2003, 21:36
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rather than reinvent the wheel with another XHTML tutorial why not just find a decent one already out there. For starters, you could have a peek at http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_html.asp

Or have a quick search using http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%2B...-8&hl=en&meta=

Just tried that search and w3schools was number one
Closed Thread

Tags
strong

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mid-Senior Developer with strong ACTIONSCRIPT skills (Permanent) Amir Job Opportunities 0 Jan 9th, 2006 16:35
Looking to hire strong testers calendargirl Job Opportunities 0 Jul 23rd, 2005 04:31


All times are GMT. The time now is 19:58.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC8
© 2003-2008 Webforumz.com : All Rights Reserved

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43