Page Rank vs. CNAME domains

Cade · Feb 8th, 2008, 14:11

How does one go about getting a domain which CNAMES to a another websites subdomain (so I can "broadcast" a CMS to my domain) TO appear on Googles page rank ?

Because I can't really upload a confirm html OR a sitemap.xml !

So does this mean that I'm "finished" when it comes to page ranking on Google?

simonb · Feb 8th, 2008, 18:06

i really don't get that

Cade · Feb 8th, 2008, 19:33

If you set up a domain like: www.cname.com to CNAME over to www.othersite.com/broadcast, then whatever www.othersite.com/broadcast shows, will be shown on www.cname.com.

It's another way to transfer the visitor to another webpage, but without ever leaving your domain.

So the question now becomes: how would you get such a domain to appear on googles search?

Cade · Feb 8th, 2008, 19:43

an example would be www.berlinerdin.dk which is a danish website for renting out a vacation appartment in Berlin.

It CNAMES to web.mac.com where Apple's iWeb software uploads the webpage to. Still you can navigate the entire page as if it was uploaded to www.berlinerdin.dk !

berlinerdin.dk (without www.) however is NOT set up to CNAME, so here we have uploaded the site directly to the domain!

Question: how would we get www.berlinerdin.dk on to googles page rank when we can't upload a sitemap.xml or confirm the page with a html file ?

Blake121 · Feb 8th, 2008, 21:31

I'm not entirely sure because I don't completely understand CNAMEing but I believe Google will rank any site it finds with or without a sitemap/verification.

I'm pretty sure it will index the site whether it is being aliased or not.

Cade · Feb 9th, 2008, 13:23

Thanks, but can the spiders go through the content when the content is really not ON the domain itself but rather being broadcasted from another domain?

aso186 · Feb 9th, 2008, 16:44

Is it just me, or are we just talking about (i)frames here?

Cade · Feb 9th, 2008, 16:52

THIS IS FROM WIKIPEDIA:
A CNAME record or canonical name record is an alias of one name to another. The A record to which the alias points can be either local or remote - on a foreign name server. This is useful when running multiple services (such as an FTP and a webserver) from a single IP address. Each service can then have its own entry in DNS (like ftp.example.com. and www.example.com.)

CNAME is like saying: I want the content of domain A to appear on domain B. You navigate domain B, but you'll really be seeing the content from domain A.
Like this: www.berlinerdin.dk
This page CNAMES to a place where Apple's iWeb software uploads my page to. This way I can use iWeb to create pages for my own domains instead of long and difficult .Mac web addresses.

If you go to berlinerdin.dk (without "www") it is not setup to CNAME but rather just displays a version of the page which I have uploaded to the domain directly.

But, I wonder if the Google spiders can crawl a domain where the content is really on another address .... ????

The only way you can really tell, is by noticing the speed difference between the CNAME version www.berlinerdin.dk and the version that is not CNAME berlinerdin.dk

Cade · Feb 10th, 2008, 16:00

Nobody knows the answer to this one.... ? I wonder how I could contact google and ask them.

spinal007 · Feb 11th, 2008, 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cade

I wonder if the Google spiders can crawl a domain where the content is really on another address .... ????

Yes.

pinesandneedles.co.uk is an alias of pinesandneedles.com
123cleaners.com is an alias of london-dry-cleaners.co.uk

BUT, I redirect all pages from the alias to the 'actual' domain otherwise Google indexes the same site 2 times, under 2 'different' domains.

ie.: 123cleaners.com/Laundry is exactly the same as london-dry-cleaners.co.uk/Laundry but I tell the search engines to index the latter.

Cade · Feb 11th, 2008, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by spinal007

Yes.

pinesandneedles.co.uk is an alias of pinesandneedles.com
123cleaners.com is an alias of london-dry-cleaners.co.uk

BUT, I redirect all pages from the alias to the 'actual' domain otherwise Google indexes the same site 2 times, under 2 'different' domains.

ie.: 123cleaners.com/Laundry is exactly the same as london-dry-cleaners.co.uk/Laundry but I tell the search engines to index the latter.

Thank you very much for your answer! And you are also using CNAME to alias your domains? I'm just asking because I really don't know very much about all this.

I might have an extra problem because I'm aliasing a page that I did not create myself. It's a subdomain on a page where users can create their own CMS. Same principle as cafepress.com where you can create your own shop and you get your own subdomain on example.cafepress.com

This is why I can't upload a site.xml or a [code].html to "confirm" my webpage at "Googles webmaster tools" page. So I can't really "help" Google find my page and index it.

Do you still think it will crawl my domain when I'm CNAMEing to such a subdomain with a CMS?

spinal007 · Feb 11th, 2008, 22:42

Google will crawl anything that can be access on the web. If there's a link to it, Google will crawl it. That's not your problem.

Your problem is if Google indexes both, the alias and the actual site, then there are 2 sites with the exact same content. One or both sites may be penalized and not show up in search results.