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alexgeek · #21 (**permalink**) Jan 4th, 2008, 10:29

I think I did.
Very confusing site, I'm sure most would agree.

minutedesigns · #22 (**permalink**) Jan 15th, 2008, 15:55

Sorry why is someone blogging about SEO Technique asking for help? Have i missed something?

And from a recent increase in pricing caused by the actual registrars I get .coms for about £4.10 full inc.. anyone paying £5+ isn't shopping about infact I resell for £7.99

simonb · #23 (**permalink**) Jan 15th, 2008, 16:15

I might know a bit of Seo, Does not make me a expert.

I only now a couple of tips on my site, and whated a 3rd , 4th, etc opinion

narender123 · #24 (**permalink**) Jan 15th, 2008, 16:27

Just take care of little on page optimization techniques.....Basics of link building is what every body knows ...who knows the little of SEO...

minutedesigns · #25 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 08:37

Sorry Simon, without being rude, I would say you should not be blogging about SEO at all with the pure state of your code and "randomly inserted metatags" and ninja'in content from other sites.

Infact Id class your website as hard to read the links down the righthand side are totally unreadable.

I cant f***in belive how you got the code so f**** up in wordpress it is so beyond me... It makes me question if you know what your doing at all...

Here is the top of my Wordpress Blog...

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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
<title>FREE SEO Backlinks, Increase Your Search Engine Rankings With Backlinking. Garden Design, Website Design and More!</title>
<meta name="generator" content="WordPress 2.3.2" /> <!-- leave this for stats -->
<meta name="keywords" content="Optimize your SEO with FREE Backlinks!" />
<meta name="description" content="Optimize your SEO with FREE Backlinks!" />
<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.freeseobacklinks.com/wp-c...inks/style.css" type="text/css" media="screen" />
<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="FREE SEO Backlinks, Increase Your Search Engine Rankings With Backlinking RSS Feed" href="http://www.freeseobacklinks.com/feed/" />
<link rel="pingback" href="http://www.freeseobacklinks.com/xmlrpc.php" />
<link rel="EditURI" type="application/rsd+xml" title="RSD" href="http://www.freeseobacklinks.com/xmlrpc.php?rsd" />
<link rel="wlwmanifest" type="application/wlwmanifest+xml" href="http://www.freeseobacklinks.com/wp-i...lwmanifest.xml" /> 
<!-- all in one seo pack 1.4.3.9 [-1,-1,] -->
<meta name="description" content="FREE SEO Backlinks, Increase Your Search Engine Rankings With Backlinking. Garden Design, Website Design and More!" />
<meta name="keywords" content="FREE, SEO, Backlinks, Project, Improve, your, websites, ranking with, backlink, Free SEO, Free Backlinking, Free Backlinks, Improve website ranking, Backlinking, SEO Backlinks, SEO Backlink, Search Engine, Search Engine Backlinking, Search Engine Backlinks, Design, Hosting, Domains, Website, Websites, Website Design, Garden Design, Landscape Design, Landscapers" />
</head>

Nice eh, quite clean, not perfect but still....

Now lets have a gander at yours, BEARING IN MIND WE USE THE SAME SEO PACK!

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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11">
 <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
 
 <title>The Net is Dying - How long before the web is dead - Simon Bennett's Blog</title>
 
 <meta name="generator" content="WordPress 2.3.2" /> <!-- leave this for stats -->
 
 <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://noloafing.co.uk/wp-content/themes/Cutline 1.1-3ColumnSplit/style.css" type="text/css" media="screen" />
 <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://noloafing.co.uk/wp-content/themes/Cutline 1.1-3ColumnSplit/custom.css" type="text/css" media="screen" />
 <!--[if lte IE 7]>
 <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://noloafing.co.uk/wp-content/themes/Cutline 1.1-3ColumnSplit/ie7.css" media="screen" />
 <![endif]-->
 <!--[if lte IE 6]>
 <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://noloafing.co.uk/wp-content/themes/Cutline 1.1-3ColumnSplit/ie6.css" media="screen" />
 <![endif]-->
 <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="The Net is Dying RSS Feed" href="http://noloafing.co.uk/feed/" />
 <link rel="pingback" href="http://noloafing.co.uk/xmlrpc.php" />
  <link rel="EditURI" type="application/rsd+xml" title="RSD" href="http://noloafing.co.uk/xmlrpc.php?rsd" />
 <link rel="wlwmanifest" type="application/wlwmanifest+xml" href="http://noloafing.co.uk/wp-includes/wlwmanifest.xml" /> <script type='text/javascript' src='http://noloafing.co.uk/wp-includes/js/jquery/jquery.js?ver=1.1.4'></script>
<script type='text/javascript' src='http://noloafing.co.uk/wp-includes/js/jquery/jquery.form.js?ver=1.0.3'></script>
<!-- Powered by AdSense-Deluxe WordPress Plugin v0.8 - http://www.acmetech.com/blog/adsense-deluxe/ -->
<!-- all in one seo pack 1.4.5 [-1,-1] -->
<meta name="description" content="The Net is Dying - How long before the web is dead - Simon Bennett's Blog. How long before the internet STOPS, the net is going to died but  when will the internet time bomb go off." />
<meta name="keywords" content="internet, dead, dying, stopping, stopped, net, http, blog, css, html, wordpress, Plugins, xhtml, seo, None www, tables, simon, Bennett" />
<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://noloafing.co.uk/wp-content/pl...stylesheet.css" type="text/css" /><script type="text/javascript">
//<![CDATA[
var _wpcf7 = { ajaxUrl: '/?wpcf7=json' };
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</script>
<script type='text/javascript' src='http://noloafing.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/contact-form-7/contact-form-7.js'></script>
<style type="text/css">.recentcomments a{display:inline !important;padding: 0 !important;margin: 0 !important;}</style>
</head>

What more can I say.... anyway the cleaner the code, the easyier it is to read, both to us, and the search engines!

And a link off of your page...

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Lots of people nowadays will say that meta tags are a thing of the past. Well I don’t know, but they do no harm to your sites rank. Lets add some in.

Who??? Who says this??? Where did you get this information from??? More like all the noob designers have no clue what the hell their doing or what SEO is, infact their more likely to think its a band! or something you can eat!

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After having wordpress for 4 months now i have discovered lots of great tips and tricks but after researching these are the two best Search engine optimization packs.

Took you 4 months to find the SEO mod? And sitemap generator? Jesus please how long does it take you to post a blog?

I'm sorry but im going to wash my hands with this thread!

MikeHopley · #26 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 09:08

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What more can I say.... anyway the cleaner the code, the easyier it is to read, both to us, and the search engines!

Not really.

Search engines don't care how "clean" your code is, as long as they can parse it for content and links.

Clean code is irrelevant except in so far as it affects your workflow, file sizes, or page rendering speed.

minutedesigns · #27 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 09:23

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Originally Posted by MikeHopley

Not really.

Search engines don't care how "clean" your code is, as long as they can parse it for content and links.

Clean code is irrelevant except in so far as it affects your workflow, file sizes, or page rendering speed.

I'm not even going to remotely argue with this one, because its fact, clean code = higher ranking with Google atleast.

Ill do a quote from just one source... Because theres sooo so many that back me up.

Clean Code Matters

Quote:

What can we do to get more pages indexed? I've always suspected that streamlining HTML code is a good way to facilitate indexing. Reducing code bloat helps pages load faster and use less bandwidth. I asked if it would help to move JavaScript and CSS definitions to external files, and clean up tag soup. Dan's answer was refreshingly clear. "Those would be very good ideas," he said.
SEOs pay a lot of attention to issues like duplicate content, link building to increase PageRank, and link structure to move PageRank throughout the site. However, I haven't seen many SEO articles about the importance of proper Web development methodology. All too often when I look at a new site, I am appalled at the sloppy coding. The typical site could be streamlined significantly.
Yes, you should try to increase the PageRank of your pages, and you should design your link structure so that PageRank is distributed throughout your site in a way that makes sense. You should provide unique and valuable content. Those tactics will help your indexing, but you also need to pay attention to the dirty details of how your pages are put together. If everybody served clean code, Google would be able to index significantly more pages.
Why doesn't Google do more to educate webmasters about the efficient use of bandwidth and computing power? Perhaps it would look bad for Google to ask webmasters to recode their sites to make Google's job easier. Nonetheless, if Google can tell me how to get more of my pages into the index, I'm ready to listen and cooperate.
Clean HTML is good not just for getting indexed, but also because it means more people can read your site. The cleaner and more compatible your code, the wider a range of browsers it will work with, and this is especially important for users with screen readers and those using mobile devices such as cell phones.
Jonathan Hochman has two computer science degrees from Yale. He runs an Internet marketing consultancy and a web development shop.

MikeHopley · #28 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 09:45

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Originally Posted by minutedesigns

I'm not even going to remotely argue with this one, because its fact, clean code = higher ranking with Google atleast.

It's not a fact, it's a superstition based on an ascetic philosophy of coding. Just because lots of idiots repeat something does not make it true.

After all, there are a lot more stupid people out there than smart people (although that may be because I consider < 120 IQ to be stupid).

Find me some evidence! Then you have an argument. Otherwise, your claim is a priori implausible, given what we know about Google's motivation (which is to rank the best content, not the best code).

minutedesigns · #29 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 09:46

Mike, its a well known fact, google prefers less code and more content!

Bloody hell man if your codes a mess it can get spiders stuck in loops and timeouts... damn!

MikeHopley · #30 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 09:57

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Originally Posted by minutedesigns

Mike, its a well known fact, google prefers less code and more content!

Bloody hell man if your codes a mess it can get spiders stuck in loops and timeouts... damn!

"It's a well known fact that X" is bombast for "lots of people say that X, but I can't find any real evidence".

Most people are wrong about most things most of the time. That's epistemology 101. Epistemology 102 is: everyone is wrong about everything all of the time.

Anyway, there are only two conditions that are likely to result in a spidering failure:

The code is severely malformed, so that the spider cannot parse it.
The code is excessively large -- an absolutely huge file, so that the spider stops parsing it. All spiders will have a resource limit: a maximum amount of time they are prepared to spend indexing a file. You can expect this to be large, given the cheap cost of spidering and the huge resources of Google.

minutedesigns · #31 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 10:18

100KB is about the top end file size per HTML, if you dont use CSS and have sloppy code, a site could easily hit that cap.

Now, I've emailed google to see if I can get a result out of this, I've also emailed Matt Cutts from Google, hopefully ill get a response from him too.

However clean code makes sense, it will atleast make parsing your sites quicker, and less chance of missing links.

MikeHopley · #32 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by minutedesigns

Now, I've emailed google to see if I can get a result out of this, I've also emailed Matt Cutts from Google, hopefully ill get a response from him too.

Now that would be worth listening to.

Quote:

However clean code makes sense, it will atleast make parsing your sites quicker, and less chance of missing links.

Why less chance of missing links?

Spiders are programs. They are not human. They don't suffer from eye strain. They don't just "miss" a link as a human might. Within the resource limits set for parsing, they are infinitely patient and accurate.

Aso · #33 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 10:59

Not trying to rock the boat but just as an observation, take a look at Microsoft's <head>

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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"><html lang="en" dir="ltr">
<head>
<META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-16">
<title>Microsoft Corporation</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="SearchTitle" content="Microsoft.com"><meta name="SearchDescription" content="Microsoft.com Homepage"><link title="Live Search" type="application/opensearchdescription+xml" rel="search" href="http://www.live.com/live/search/search.xml">
<style type="text/css">  @import url('http://i2.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/css/core.css');</style>
<!--[if lt IE 7]><style>@import url('http://i2.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/css/ie6.css');</style><![endif]-->
<style type="text/css">  @import url('http://i2.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/css/lsp.css');  </style><script type="text/javascript" src="http://i3.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/js/lsp.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://i3.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/js/library.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://i3.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/js/silverlight.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://i3.microsoft.com/Shared/core/1/bi/h/en/us/r/SiteRecruit_PageConfiguration_Homepage_Page.js">/**/</script><meta name="WT.sp" content="_en_us_">
<meta name="DCSext.wt_ver" content="1.0"><meta name="DCSext.wt_target" content="Firefox;Windows XP;Generic">
<meta name="DCSext.wt_linkid" content="01-00-083MXX1003;02-00-083MUS1007;03-00-083MUS1013;04-00-083PUS1020;08-17-083SXX1049;08-17-083MXX1010;08-17-083MUS1002;08-17-083MUS1006;08-17-083PUS1017;08-17-083MXX1009;08-17-074PUS1058;08-17-072MUS0900;08-17-083MXX1008;08-17-072SUS0205;08-17-072SUS0206;08-17-081PUS1020;08-17-074PUS1035;08-17-072SUS0217;08-17-072SUS0218;08-17-072SUS0218;09-00-074SUS2003;09-00-083MUS1010;09-00-083SUS1040;09-00-083MUS1012;09-00-082MUS1002;09-00-081PUS1031;09-00-073SUS0206;09-00-082PUS1117;09-00-082PUS1114;09-00-082PUS1051;10-00-083MXX1014;10-00-083MUS1007;10-00-082SUS2026;10-00-083MUS1001;10-00-083SUS1022;10-00-083MUS1011;10-00-083MUS1013;10-00-083MXX1005;10-00-083MUS1003;10-00-083SUS1009;11-00-083MXX1000;11-00-083MUS1006;11-00-083SUS1017;11-00-083SXX1004;11-00-083SXX1005;11-00-083SUS1031;11-00-082PUS1185;11-00-082SXX1056;11-00-072SUS0235;11-00-072SUS0208;11-00-074PUS1013;11-00-074PUS1014;11-00-073MUS6000;11-00-073SUS0188;11-00-072SUS0221;12-00-083MUS1000;12-00-083SXX1006;12-00-083MXX1003;12-00-083MUS1009;12-00-083SXX1039;12-00-083MXX1002;12-00-081PUS1009;12-00-082SXX1010;12-00-073SUS0232;12-00-072SUS0211;12-00-081PUS1055;12-00-081PUS1040;12-00-072SUS0218;12-00-081PUS1046;12-00-081PUS1042;12-00-072SUS0225;13-00-083MXX1007;13-00-083SUS1037;13-00-083MXX1009;13-00-083SXX1035;13-00-083SXX1003;13-00-082PUS1169;13-00-081PUS1034;13-00-082PUS1036;13-00-082PUS1136;13-00-081PUS1037;13-00-072SUS0215;13-00-081PUS1057;13-00-072SUS0228;13-00-082PUS1148;13-00-081PUS1035">
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</head>

And their HTML Errors.

Ok, so this might not be conclusive 'evidence', but they don't exactly do bad for ranking.

simonb · #34 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 15:28

@ minutedesigns

I am getting tried of you gooping off my site, I ask for support and helpfull Critique, you are Not being helpful to me at all. If you don't like it don't visit it.

narender123 · #35 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by minutedesigns

Mike, its a well known fact, google prefers less code and more content!

Bloody hell man if your codes a mess it can get spiders stuck in loops and timeouts... damn!

hee heee....that's not the way buddy leave it if you doesn't like..Still I want to add that the title seems little too big and this must be short down and I don't see any problem with the other meta tags. You can add little more keywords if you like..

alexgeek · #36 (**permalink**) Jan 16th, 2008, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by simonb

@ minutedesigns

I am getting tried of you gooping off my site, I ask for support and helpfull Critique, you are Not being helpful to me at all. If you don't like it don't visit it.

I don't think he meant to offend. Just advice (quite good advice).

minutedesigns · #37 (**permalink**) Jan 17th, 2008, 08:43

Quote:

Spiders are programs. They are not human.

Direct reply from google, so now, agree I AM RIGHT, you are WRONG, and SORRY!

Quote:

Hello Adam,

Thank you for your email. I understand that you want to know whether
valid HTML and CSS help in better organic search and AdWords ad rankings.
Please note that clean HTML codes and CSS help improve rankings because
they make it easier for our crawlers to find information. Sites' positions
in our search results are determined based on a number of factors designed
to provide end-users with helpful, accurate search results. These factors
are explained in more detail at
http://www.google.com/technology/index.html.

If you want to read the rest of the email, i will post it up in the SEO area... But for now please, do not argue, unless you want to argue direct with google about their alg?

Thankyou please

Oh and Alexgeek, thanks mate, I was abit harsh, but sometimes its the only way of getting through, and although I have heavily slated him, I have done so, I assume in a manner to which he could hopefully learn more, as I do tend to back my arguements up pretty well

minutedesigns · #38 (**permalink**) Jan 17th, 2008, 08:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by minutedesigns

Ah man shut up, direct reply from google, so now, shut up argueing and agree I AM RIGHT, you are WRONG, and SORRY!

If you want to read the rest of the email, i will post it up in the SEO area... But for now please, do not argue, unless you want to argue direct with google about their alg?

Thankyou please

Oh and Alexgeek, thanks mate, I was abit harsh, but sometimes its the only way of getting through, and although I have heavily slated him, I have done so, I assume in a manner to which he could hopefully learn more, as I do tend to back my arguements up pretty well

Oh Mike I read something else...

Quote:

are infinitely patient and accurate

they are programmed by humans thus are not patient, there is such a thing as a "Time Out" you really think google has the resources to sit waiting about all day just for one site to be indexed?

Rakuli · #39 (**permalink**) Jan 17th, 2008, 08:51

This thread has moved too far from the title topic. I am closing now!

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