Newbie help

I have notice that newbies webdesigner uss tables. If their dont uses tables then their use dream waver. When their use dream weaver, their have coding problems.

I feel that I can convert from tables to css. Infact It is a challenge.
If you can make a site useing tables I will convert it to css.

<notagz1>

Making a site using tables is much easier you just need to work on it. I always design my website with tables. It's possible to make a site without tables but if you do have tables your site looks much tidier therefore influencing people to comeback for more.

I used to design in tables until i got to grips with CSS and then i found using CSS a lot easier to work in. I use dreamwever and its a breeze.

Many people start out designing in tables because that is how they were taught in school or by tutorials on the web. Tables however were meant for tabular data/information.

Correct designing of websites are by handcoding. Dreamweaver is fine for that if you already own it use it. But use the code view. Place bit and pieces in your html doc using div's, id's, p, and then style it all with css. Cascading Style Sheets. It is more difficult at the beginning than tables and does take a bit longer to design, however to displays much more accurately across browsers. It also is better since the code is minimal for less load time and for SEO purposes it is much better.

The true benefit comes with updating. It's so easy and slick!
Did I persuade you?

You got me, Linda....hook, line and sinker...CSS forever!!!!lol

Hmmm, nah I am going to have to disagree with you there. When you layout your site using tables your site tends to look...well boxy. Not to mention that you are using tables for the wrong reason, and probably slowing down load time.

Let's hope so, cause tables are not supposed to be used for laying out your website, they never were and never will be meant for that. Tables are meant for displaying tabular data!

In the old day tables where being used. But now you dont have to.

Hard-coding tables is hell. hand-coding css, is so easy.

just look at the code at the bottom.

<table width="100" height="100">

</table>

or

css setup
.p1{margin-top: 10px;
margin-left: 30px;
width: 100px
height: 100px;

}
}

HTMLL CODE.

<div class="p1">Here is p1</div>

if you use your class with div tags. its easiers then tables.
You can change your source html.
Plus you can nested in div tags.


<div>1<div2></2div></div>

You can nest tables, but that is way to hard, and can get confusing.

The points
Tables are used for data,
Tables are also used with xml.
Table can display with missing pixs. in I.E.

CSS. can fix the margin gaps that tables make.
Css, can change over 1000pages a one time.
it can also change the colour, style, margin and size of font at once.


You can have more then one style at a time.
You could have margin.css
fonts.css.

But mostly you would write a style sheet for I.E 7
I.E6 I.E5.5
Firefox
opera.
<notagz1>

I am working on other project as wll. I can wait to post them.

Let me add one more thing to that. Tables were used back in the day because that was all they really had to style pages like they wanted to. Even though tables were never meant to layout a page.

When I started, I also used tables, because you have to start easy.

So I only try to convert people to css after a few months.

When I first came here,all my sites were built in tables (they still are), but now I'm getting the hang of CSS and I love it! It's a bit more complicated, but I really like the source-file when finished.

A big thank you go out to everyone who helped me out on this forum through the first baby-steps of CSS

I can't imagine going back to tables. Even simple designs took ages to make.

CSS is much more efficient, and it can do everything that tables can, with no more effort.

...Well, it would be able to if IE supported display: table-cell. One day!

Yeah, A table design took me an average of 3 hours to code. A css design takes me an average of 25 minutes. You do the math and figure out which is easier. Also, when updating a website good luck because alot of the time your going to be spending trying to drag your content to where you wanted it. CSS is not hard to learn, but it requires a lot more knowledge than <table> , <th>, <tr>, and <td> plus for SEO its a huge mistake to use tables.

I'm glad that when I started learning html/css some months ago, I started right away with CSS and not tables, and have even no idea how to design with tables!

You are a lucky one, you started on the right path. Congratulations!