New user wants to lock source code html

[gone fishing]

Hello everyone.

I'm the new guy, you were expecting someone else hu?

I'm new to html and trying to develop a website and doing it in Front Page (don't laugh) and i would like to lock the source code to stop the unkind from using it....is there a way....also....i want to optimize it and let the search robots find it...does lock the code stop the robots too?....
Soooooooo many questions...i hope your all ready for me...
Many thanks if you can help. GF

[moojoo]

There are things out there to encrypt your source etc.. but why?. Also you can use a robots.txt file and tell them where they can/can't go. And do yourself a favor and save yourself many headaches and trouble later. Throw Frontpage away!

[JacobHaug]

Please listen to moojoo, "Throw Frontpage away!"

[Ryan Fait]

I remember encrypting the code on my first site. Who cares if someone steals your source code anyway? Worst case scenario, there's a duplicate of your site out there somewhere. Unless your site is really something special, I wouldn't bother. You can do one thing, though. This has fooled me in the past: If you move all the source down about 50 lines, when you open the source, it looks empty.

[chubbs]

thats cool :-)

[gone fishing]

Many thanks for those persons who posted an answer to my all important question.....the one of moving it down 50 lines sounds great....and the robot file is good...if only i knew how to....anyways......is there any alternative to front page for a novice and whats wrong with front page anyways?....curious.

[JacobHaug]

Dreamweaver is good... Frontpage puts in some extra code. So does dreamweaver, but not as bad. It is better if you learn how to hand code, then start using programs like dreamweaver, that way you know what code is extra. Dreamweaver has a nice spilt view that will allow you to do that. I am sure some of the other guys will tell you more about why Frontpage sucks...lol

[Ryan Fait]

Unless you really know how to use Frontpage, you're going to end up with extremely bloated files using methods that aren't standards compliant. Coding by hand in XHTML and CSS is undoubtedly the best way to go.

[gone fishing]

Oh dreamweaver....i heard of that a while ago and thought it was too complicated for beginers....so i was told......mmm

the next question number 3,001 was how do i get the pages to load in the viewers browsers quickly...i have made the images really small and still takes over 30 secs at 56k (which is still common in uk), is there any way of chop some space from the front page html or it's not it.

Thanks guys. GF

[moojoo]

You don't need a WYSIWYG editor. Just take the time to learn it right and that way you know your code. Its a wonderful thing.

[gone fishing]

Hi Ryanfait.

I'm really interested in your reply of moving the source code down about 50 lines....sounds great, but i'm just worried that when i do the confusing SEO for the website the robot will read all 5o lines and think that maybe that these page will not rank very high. I'd love a high ranking site.
Would this be a problem (or i can tell the robot to start at line 50 for example?).
I will use your answer if it's ok, it's not that i doubt you.
Thanks friend
Tom GF

[gone fishing]

Oh another question was....whats the best way to layout the website for optimum SEO?....is it frames, css, table templates.....i would assume that the ultimate would be learn HTML....but it's hard man.
Thanks
Tom GF

[Ryan Fait]

I really doubt a search engine would dock you for moving your source code down some. It seems highly unlikely to me.

[jesse22]

i liked Dreamweaver some years ago, but now i can hardly see it and use Homesite with Top style. Am i right or maybe it would be better to go back to dreamweaver?... (stupid question, i know, just thought maybe i missed something

[ukgeoff]

IMO you have not missed anything.

I use HTML-Kit and TopStyle. I would recommend both to anyone.

In a recent authoritative survey of web professionals, 40% claimed they used Dreamweaver. The other side of this is of course 60% don't.

I also read somewhere that I can't remember just now that the numbers of developers using Dreamweaver was slowly but steadily falling.

[jesse22]

yeah, my friend professional designer doesn't use dreamveawer too.
but it's better for beginners than hand coding, IMO

[mreine]

Hey, gone fishing. Sounds like you need to do some research online and read some of the 100,000 websites out there about web design, css, xhtml, seo, design programs, etc etc...

Asking a few questions is one thing, but trying to learn everything about web design in one thread just isn't going to happen. SEO is complicated, helping you create faster loading pages requires seeing your website and apparently you are too paranoid to give us a link.

You don't need to throw away Frontpage, I'm sick of hearing this because it's wrong and just an opinion. You can use it just fine. Just like most other wysiwyg programs (YES EVEN THE ALMIGHTY DREAMWEAVER!!!) you have to just forget about the wysiwyg part and use the coding aspects. I think FP is great for file management and simple to use and has some great search and replace features that will perform the action on a few files or the entire site. It's very usable.

If you have a friend that is a professional designer, you should make sure he's using the latest coding and design techniques before learning from him, but he could be your best teacher.

[Micky-D]

Originally Posted by mreine

Hey, gone fishing. Sounds like you need to do some research online and read some of the 100,000 websites out there about web design, css, xhtml, seo, design programs, etc etc...

Asking a few questions is one thing, but trying to learn everything about web design in one thread just isn't going to happen. SEO is complicated, helping you create faster loading pages requires seeing your website and apparently you are too paranoid to give us a link.

You don't need to throw away Frontpage, I'm sick of hearing this because it's wrong and just an opinion. You can use it just fine. Just like most other wysiwyg programs (YES EVEN THE ALMIGHTY DREAMWEAVER!!!) you have to just forget about the wysiwyg part and use the coding aspects. I think FP is great for file management and simple to use and has some great search and replace features that will perform the action on a few files or the entire site. It's very usable.

If you have a friend that is a professional designer, you should make sure he's using the latest coding and design techniques before learning from him, but he could be your best teacher.

personal preference but I use dreamweaver but don't rate it for beginners to html or CSS or any language for that matter.. it does lead to bad practices. For a WYSIWYG editor Dreamweaver isn't very HTML compliant and by that I mean pages wrote using DW's designer view will not pass HTML validation in W3C.

Better to use notepad as others have said so that you know the language then use DW later in any view. Dreamweaver is a great tool dont get me wrong.. no good for n00bies though!
Say a beginner designs a page in design view.. ask him to check his tags when he or she has a page error and thats it.. 50%+ wont have a clue what you mean. Just an oppinion from a learner.. well infact were all still learners... just some more accomplished than others.. but with things always improving and changing.. were always learning

Now back to the original message / question..

As far as I'm aware through all my googling and forum visits to various other webmaster resources... there is no total and absolute way of hiding your source code. I wanted to do this also.. and went searching.. spent about a month reading post after post.. argument after argument... discussion after discussion and article after article and there is no precise or totally fool proof way of protecting your code. theres always some way around it. Dissable right click and some users using certain browsers can turn that off or us CTRL and other keys... theres view source... javascripts to paste into browsers to force source to be revealed.. theres tonnes of ways to protect your code and tonnes of ways around them. Dont just take it from me.. research it yourselves.

Nothing is safe from internet trolls!

[gone fishing]

Hi Micky-D
Thanks for the help man......it's appreciated......and i'll submit my website when it seems ready for all that i am able to do to it....then i'll welcome any critique about fixing it
Thanks GF

[bruno89]

theres no point in hiding your code anyway if someone wants to copy your site all they gota do is look at it and make there own code..
it might be a pain but if there hell bent on it theyl do it. any1 in this forum could copy a website just by looking at it EVEN ME! lol and im not exactly a pro at this mind you that is partly how i lernt what i know so far ( copying others sites but with my own code )