grrrrr tables!!

[absolutmgd13]

http://www.whitmancastings.com a small site i made...im having trouble with the tables. if you look at the site its noticeable the table around the menu and the american flag on the left. can anyone help me figure this out!? why wont they stay where i want them!?

[sypher]

I dont see this problem using FF

[absolutmgd13]

really?....maybe its IE then? everything looks fine in DW...but when i use IE to view it for some reason the tables for the menu are either wider or higher than they should be...hmmmm

[ukgeoff]

I've had a look with FF and IE and it's not obvious to me what you think the problem is.

I do notice that the area taken up by the menu in IE is greater than in FF but as it's not trowing the design out, I wouldn't loose too much sleep over that. Afterall, the average user will be only using one browser so won't know there is a difference.

More important are the errors in your code which stop the page(s) from validating and the fact that your site is unusable by anyone not using a standard gui browser.

Please think about accessibility issues.

[minute44]

If tables are giving you so much grief... why not just scrap them and use XHTML and CSS?

You coulr re-produce that page no problem with those and it would all validate and be nice and accessible. Doesn't that sound lovely?

If you need any information on where to start with this then just shout up.

[Legacy_Staff]

*SHOUT*

I've been trying to make sense of CSS since joining WF and acquiring a feeling of neglect and old age in the face of you CSS / XHTML user sob's.
I've been to W3C and a few of the other sites I've seen as CSS guides but I still find it easier to layout using html and tables.

Just this week I've finally positioned a sliced banner / NavBar, and a footer image, using CSS for the first time and was delighted that it not only worked but everything was where it was supposed to be in IE (and even the demm 'Fox').

Now I can't figure out how to add the actual content /accesibilty options to the page.

Hope this gets easier... I'm already looking back at html and tables fondly.

Rgds
Fuddy-Duddy

[minute44]

Looks like I'll be taking you under my wing then eh?

lol

Here's how I started with this stuff:

I downloaded SimpleCSS from HostM http://www.hostm.com/css/

I played around wth that and it allowed me to see what making shanges in css did for the page and I soon picked up the basics.

[Legacy_Staff]

Originally Posted by minute44

Looks like I'll be taking you under my wing then eh?

It may be best; Skwirrells have smelly underwing areas.
Thanks for the site.
Haven't seen that one yet.
Will give that a go and see if it helps any.

[minute44]

No problem...

You know if a person likes a post it could be possible for that person to leave some good bownies... That's one thing that person could do... Cough, cough..

[Legacy_Staff]

/\ /\ /\ /\
Suitably reprimanded and abashed.

(I do usually but I'm so involved in trying to figure out my attempts to make a working page using internal / external style sheets, I fergot.
I know it's not much of an excuse but what do you want for free? )

[ukgeoff]

You might like to have a little play with this template structure I put together.

http://1ontheweb.net/downloads/Templates.zip

[Legacy_Staff]

Thx Geoff, I'll try that too.

*makes mental note not to forget brownies this time.

[Lyncho]

Try www.htmldog.com for some help on layout without tables.

As a noob who has never EVER done a page not in XHTML 1.0 Strict, without CSS and with tables, it looks ridiculously complicated to me. Give me a style sheet and a code validator any day of the week. :P

[moojoo]

Ahh castings, I do IT for a foundry . yeah i would ditch the tables on that.

[moojoo]

Here, I whipped up a sample layout for you to show how simple it would be to move your site to xhtml/css. All the css is in the one html file. You can immediately see the difference in the code base and such.

http://www.newbeginningsdesign.com/castings/