Thanks for all the input, it seems I opened a can of worms. Someting I did not mean to do.
The software I use is a desktop publishing type wich allows you to easily build a site, what you see is what you get. Perhaps not suitable for the more advanced user, but for people who are less advanced it is very good.
I have been able to build a site with absoulutly no html knowledege.
but since building my site I have learned a lot and I am slowly working on a new site and begining to understand things better.
I ask a lot of questions and I get lots of good responces.
Now that the frames issue is cleared up I think that serif should have called there html frames html boxes instead.
apparently they thought frames were well in the past and no one would compare thier html frames with the old frames.
Serif webplus html frames are readable by search engines, but thier creative text frames are not. for that reason I never use the creative frames.
regards
graham