Closed book

I have posted a few threads recently both of which have been closed since. Another thread related to the other two has been deleted. I'm not posting to reopen that discussion or to state how disgusted I am with the deletion and closure of those threads. I am posting to say something and to make a point of that something.

I've decided not to post anymore, I may be cutting off my nose to spite my face and all the rest of it but I wanted to make a point. I don't agree with the way WF is run at the moment, I don't agree with the decisions being made. I do not have anything to do with either of those things, however, and perhaps I should just keep my mouth shut and carry on like I was before. The thing is this is a community site, I am a member of this community and I just don't feel like the staff or admin really care about what the 'community' think. Perhaps they are catering to the majority instead of the minority opinions which is fair enough, I guess. I just don't agree with certain things so I'm giving up basically, my complaints have fell on deaf ears so I've simply decided not to bother. Perhaps the secret workings of WF are clunking away as we speak ready to alter the rules to suit my ideals but that is unlikely, nor is it even necessary to an extent.

I have never been anything but pleasant on WebForumz, I have posted a lot, helped many people even physically done things for people with certain problems. I have contributed heavily here for many months now, and I do not wish to be seen as troublemaker or someone who exists only to make the staff and admins lives difficult. If I have done that it was not my intention, my intention is only to try to change the things I think are wrong. Naive, selfish, sometimes harsh and unfair I may have been, but I was genuine in my intent.

I left the staff because I didn't agree with the way thing were being done, I left the newsletter because I didn't agree with the way things were being done and now I 'leave' the forums entirely because of similar reasons. My leaving will do nothing and be pointless in many ways, I merely do it to highlight a point. You are losing a member who if not valued has at least been useful and has in many ways shared your aims (I have no idea who 'you' is, no) and I am going because I don't agree with certain decisions that have been made. Instead of posting complaining about these things, I won't be a bother anymore, fewer awkward questions will lessen the 'hard time' I give the staff. I didn't post because I am going, I just wanted people to know why.

Voodoo posted earlier about the membership life cycle of virtual communities, I guess I could be categorised as outbound.

Regards,

Pete.

That's brilliant :/ we've lost a brilliant member. I hope you can come back Pete.

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I hope you realize that many things can't always run the way you think is right. I do however agree with you on some of your points, but, still, obviously, you've reached your limit of tolerance on how things are run. It's sad to see you go mate.

You know perfectly well why the threads were closed.

It is your own choice not to post - we can't force you...

Yes. You've certainly made that clear over the last few months. Webforumz has a fantastic staff team who follow the rules of the forum and who implement them for the enjoyability of the members who come here. If you disagree with something posting it up on the forum is not the best way to get the staff to listen to you. You should message a member of the staff with your complaint or idea so that they can discuss it with the other members of staff instead of posting it on the forum and saying I dont like this - that sucks - that should be done better.

Best idea anyone's had in a long time! Lets have the old, unmoaning, pete back

HOW DARE YOU! The community here at Webforumz is at the front of everything that Webforumz does. Afterall without the community Webforumz would cease to be!!! The staff work really hard to make this place the best place on the net for Web Design and Development discussions.

It's easier to please 10,000 members than 100.

Your complaints have not fallen on deaf ears. They have all been discussed and have been found to be unpractical.

The rules are staying as they are... Rules are there for a reason - to keep the peace, keep the forum within the laws and to keep this place the most pleasurable that it can be.

Humm...

The staff and the members are all grateful for the help that you have provided.

Things cannot revolve around one person. The forums and the newsletter are run to the best of ALL the staff's abilities. Not just one.

Fair enough and we are sorry to see you go. You certainly have kept us busy

Huh??!

I haven't wrote in much detail but it is late and I'm tired.

I am very sorry to see you feel this way, Pete, but from your point of view I understand why. But I would like you to think about this......

A group like Webfroumz is made up of many different types of people. If you think of the number of nationalities here, it is amazing. Each one has their own experiences, customs, languagues and even morals. What that means is that there will be misunderstanding, missteps and hurt feelings. But in the end, our success is our ability to compromise. And from experience, compromise is not easy to reach unless you state the specific concerns and discuss each one and reach an agreement. Arguing is good as long as you don't take it personally. Don't give up your position if you are really truly sincere about it. Learning to compromise is not easy, but necessary if 2 or more people get together.

Yes, Webforumz has changed. That is a perfectly normal part of the evolution process. But I don't necessarily think it is a bad thing for us. We are professionals or people who want to become professionals and we have had to change the way things are done. I, myself, don't always agree, but no one stopped me from stating my reasons clearly and when the decisions were released the reasons were clearly stated also. Surprisingly some of my ideas even managed to sneak their way in.

I like most of the changes....not all but most. There is nothing wrong in disagreeing, what is wrong is to act like your life is over if things don't go your way. Our world is not going to be over, but there will be new young designers(even an old broad like me) who will never have benefit of your skills and knowledge. It is really to bad someone else will have to take your place, but, hey, that is your decision and your loss.

Sara, you have to be the most sane person here. (that's a compliment)

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Yes, I know. Thank you, Alex.

harsh... sad to see you leave pete. I agree with you in almost every way... but ive learned over the years that any system has its rules, and you can either stay in the system and put up with them, you can create your own system, or you can be isolated and alone.

I'm kind of an extremist, but I believe in complete and utter freedom of speech. I think the world would be a better place if anyone could say whatever they wanted whenever they wanted. If someone gets offended, well then they have no obligation to take part in that particular discussion. We live in a real world, and there is no point in censoring certain things...because then we are just lying to ourselves.

Anyway, good luck and I know how you feel

Thanks for taking the time to read it. My reasons for leaving are simple: I won't be part of something that works in a way that I don't believe in. I don't think compromise is a good idea not because I want complete control (wouldn't that be nice ) but because a compromise is essentially a watered down idea. Surely it's better to follow through with one idea rather than copping out of both. Compromise exists to pacify people, it is very rarely and effective solution to the actual problem.

I appreciate your comments and I really just want people to think about things more, maybe my leaving will help that. Though as you may have guessed I am unmoving in my decision to go. It would be against my principles to stay, as ridiculous as my principles are. I'm not saying I'm right all of the time, I'm not saying I'm right now (though obviously I think I am) but I have to follow through and hope that some people will have taken on board my reasons for leaving and maybe this will open a dialogue in the future. I know it's silly to leave over this but I guess I'm just a bit silly when it comes down to it.

Pete.

I have only one this to say....You have alot to learn about life....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's no global standard on what life "is". Everyone has their take on it and everyone learns a different thing. But no one thing is "right" or the "correct" understanding.

And plenty of time to learn it.

Pete.

I have quite a few more years of life than you and I know what it takes to survive and I do mean that literally. Yes, this is very true.
You missed the point... Compromise is what will work the best for the most people, but that does not meant it is either right or correct...it is just a way to make thing work a little more smoothly.