sadly that has cut the bottom of the page off if I make the the size of the area smaller, all I suppose I want to do is remove the height and have it sit 100% the height of the contents inside, I have just test it with no content in it and it will stretch when typing pur putting a table directly in it, it just seems as soon as I use class inside the ID selector to lay stuff out it won't auto stretch,

thanks for the reply and hopefully in advance for this one.

Justin